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That in particular stood out to me, cuz I mean we've heard this over and over and over again, in comics, in other industries, as reasons why women or PoC or queer ppl or disabled ppl are discriminated against or under represented in the work place or politics or in TV or etc... which is funny b/c we ALSO hear from white ppl that the past is the past is the past is the past is the past right? Slavery was in the PAST, discrimination was in the PAST! I'm not responsible for that! You can't be affected by that! It's OVER, jeez! Why are we talking about the past!?
Well at least we hear it when it SUITS them, when they dun want the white/straight/cis/abled/male guilt of acknowledging they benefit from a society built on a history of discrimination and oppression. -_-;;
But then we also hear stuff like this "it's not racism, it's THE PASTTT!!!! THE PASSSTTT!!! it gave us tons of iconic white heroes!" or "MY FAMILY HAS BEEN HERE FOR GENERATIONS!" or "men invented everything!" (which isn't even true >_> ) etc... apparently the past DOES matter, when ppl want to remind us of why they should be treated differently b/c of the actions of ppl that in another breath they'll claim "HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ME!"
Welcome to privilege. -_-;;; Again, privilege is not a conspiracy, it's not a group of white dudes plotting or planning... it's stuff like this, where b/c the heyday of superhero comics, of our cultural mythology, came from a time that was more racist and more sexist and where most of the heroes created were white and male, our iconic heroes are almost all white and male -_-;; Everybody knows Superman, and Batman, and Captain America and Spider-Man. I mean, even if in 50 years more CoCs actually get accepted as iconic heroes in our society, the older heroes would still be even more iconic AND there's a massive amount of new white heroes too that would be joining them (and that's assuming that given the way queer, female, non-white chars are treated in comics, and the goofy state of the industry, that they ever reach iconic status neways -_-;;)
And that's not to say that comics MUST therefore create ONLY CoCs or something... or that this is the FAULT of current white creators, but being AWARE of the past means nothing if all you do is throw up your hands and go "it's cuz of the past! blame the past!" -_-;; Here's the thing. Nobody is BLAMING THE PAST, or WANTS to. Ppl always seem to assume oppressed groups point to the past to blame it. But it's not that. It's to show that society was built on uneven ground (srsly uneven ground) and that the result of that unevenness has consequences that our society now and our culture now and REAL PEOPLE living in the now, are still feeling and affected by. :\ And that's where privilege comes from.
And for Marvel to just go "jeez it's cuz of the past! It's not OUR fault that all of our "iconic heroes" are white! " is... well it's either rly rly naive or disingenuous (given that Wolverine is not an old hero... nor are most of the ppl I find in various forms of the Avengers even a few years back... but they still feel like the only time to put in PoCs are if you feel white guilt and need a token -_-) but either way... it's... it's selling your fanbase short, and selling THEMSELVES short. -_-;; DC and Marvel are huge companies that not just maintain mythology, they CREATE it, they constantly invent and re-invent heroes to be icons, and they put editorial fiat and power behind it. Like Supergirl! Remember during the rly rly dark times of the Loeb/Kelly/Churchill Supergirl? Remember DC BEGGING women to read it? The whole page grovel they put out for us? o_o;; They never cancelled Supergirl, they tied her into a BILLION AND ONE plots with guest stars ALL OVER the place, they wrote a letter telling us to read it, they kept the series going and going, switching authors and writers....
would they have done it if this were some new black hero they created? Or say... the new Atom?
Manhunter?
I mean we can go on... but the point is, DC AND MARVEL ARE NOT TINY LITTLE INDIE PUBLISHERS! THEY HAVE RESOURCES and they have pull and they have a billion ways, including tie-ins, guest stars, and even editors yelling at fans, to try to get a hero or series going, IF THEY WANT TO. It just... I find it so funny when these giant companies throw up their hands and go "we can't help it! all our icons were created in the 30s! there's nothing we can do to promote new ones!" then in the next breath go "WE HAVE FIVE NEW WOLVERINE BOOKS COMING OUT AND AN EMMA FROST MANGA SERIES!" or "READ SUPERGIRL! PLZ PLZ PLZ! She's gonna guest star in 5 different books now! plz notice her and care!" Or even how they've managed to introduce and integrate Damian into the Batverse (who is also a CoC, which *gasp* should not be! white historryyy white historrryyyy xD ). They can DO IT if they WANT TO.
Remember Aztek? And how hard Grant Morrison tried to shoehorn him in as an A-list hero? That didn't work, but he had the chance to rly try. Or Kyle as GL, Wally... There's been all sorts of times that you knew a new char had serious editorial backing... like in wrestling, where wrestlers get "pushes". If a company RLY WANTED TO, they could push CoCs, women, queer chars, or any intersection of such. :| Ppl who say that Wolverine and Venom "evolved" out of fan interest... well some fan interest, specific types of fans.. white male ones... cuz there's a LOT of fan favourites that didn't get pushed cuz their fans weren't the right ones... or they presumed they weren't -_-;; When white guys like something it's "what people want", when women, PoCs, queer ppl or their allies like a char it's "catering to fan entitlement" (b/c white men are still considered "the mainstream" when they rly aren't... as Wizard's smoking carcass proves) if you give a char a push or if nebody even suggests it -_-;;; (Manhunter, Atom, Blue Beetle, etc)
Look, most of the ppl watching the Avengers TV series, or the movies, have no idea who most of the chars are neways, or what the history is. If you had a black or Asian Miss Marvel and pushed her, I mean like the Thor movie, w/ the special FX budget and the casting... and then put her into the Avengers movie, would the mainstream movie goers rly walk out? -_o;; Would ANYBODY rly whine except for maybe the hardcore comic geeks (and even then, it's a subset of a subset)? And you'd be invigorating a comic series also, giving yourself new opportunities, and you'd be MAKING history, instead of complaining about it (if they RLY are unhappy about it, I suspect that it's just an excuse cuz the consequences of a racist/sexist history can be corrected) :) You'd be creating new mythology that includes more ppl and new audiences and taking the steps to creating those iconic non-white male chars that according to Marvel, they wish they had more of :)
Comic creators, of all stripes, create history. They do it every day. The question, particularly to the Big 2, is what kind of history do they want to create? What kind of history do they CARE about making and care about being held to? Cuz that's the thing. Marvel isn't a chained to it's past decisions, they certainly dun seem to be chained when it suits them -_-;; They acknowledge the past, but they wun acknowledge the present, where they CAN change things and where also, they have LOTS of iconic CoCs that ppl love and adore, but apparently cannot SEE b/c they don't seem "right" to them (it's convenient that in the quotes in the post, he says that to be an Avenger it just has to feel right, and somehow, white ppl feel the most right! law of averages my butt... you're not drawing names out of a hat! >:O as the post points out there's a LOT of non-white heroes who I think many ppl would accept as "Avenger" material, esp given that groups history xD ).
There are so many great wonderful indie companies and creators out there, who have so less resources than the big 2 who understand these dynamics, don't hide behind history, and in fact, try to create icons against the privileges and biased narratives that are a consequence of our -ist history. And they dun have the weight or iconic resonance of a Marvel or DC to do it which both companies even EXERCISE to push events, or new heroes, or old white heroes revamped, etc...
It's one thing to acknowledge your company, and our SOCIETY came from racist, sexist, queerphobic times, it's another to understand what that MEANS, how that's affected the entire dynamic from which your company operates from, and how that's affected the way you and your creators SEE the world, and see heroism and what "feels" like an Avenger to you. And to realize what you can, and THAT YOU CAN, do something about it. :)
It's one thing to read history, it's another to grow from it, and understand you're making history right now too :)


