So, a female reporter got a rather jerky and possibly sexist response from an NHL player while interviewing him. It really wasn't a big deal, since she shrugged it off, and reporters get "you've never played the game before!" from jerk players sometimes.
Of course, Don Cherry (everybody's favourite bigot) decides to rant about how women shouldn't be allowed in the dressing room. This opens up a whole bunch of stuff I want to rant about that's been sort of building up for me.
Let's start with number 1: How hard it is to correct people's ignorance of a topic when the narrative has already taken off. Once Cherry said: "WHY AREN'T MEN ALLOWED IN WOMEN'S ROOMS THEN!?" The narrative has been set. Men aren't allowed in women's dressing rooms.
Ron MacLean said they should be, but it's like falling into the "When did you stop beating your wife?" trap, because the actual answer should be "They already are."
Male reporters are in women's dressing rooms all the time. Given that they're a large majority of sports reporters in Canada and America, how did people think people got locker room quotes from female athletes otherwise? Oh right. They never thought about female athletes at ALL until this came up and they automatically assumed they knew what was going on and society must have a double standard.
If they were paying attention, they'd have noticed this was already settled the last time it was an issue. Dan Shulman of ESPN talked about this on the Toronto sports radio program "Prime Time Sports" back when the Ines Sainz controversy happened (Mexican reporter got sexually harassed by NY Jets players, got blamed for being too sexy, debate was about slutty Mexican women and if women reporters should be allowed male athletes.) He talked about how he had been in women's dressing rooms as part of his job, and that the women understood this was probably a bit weird for him too, everybody was professional about it, and understood it was part of his job. It wasn't a big deal, and he didn't think it was. These are just men and women doing their job.
But because Don Cherry, in his ignorance, already started the ball rolling, it can't be stopped. The comments of the National Post article about this is ALL "DOUBLE STANDARD!" and "WOMEN SHOULDN'T BE IN MEN'S DRESSING ROOMS, WE WOULDN'T LET MEN IN WOMEN'S!" and "HOW COME WE DON'T LET MALE REPORTERS IN WOMEN'S ROOMS HUH!?" and on and on. I've tried to correct as many as I could in the National Post comments, but I just don't have the energy to, and I get downvoted anyway because people want to believe what they want to believe. -_-
And then I got "BUT THE WOMEN AREN'T NAKED." Well, most of them aren't, no, because they choose not to take off their tops while being interviewed. But that's their choice. Putting aside the double standard society has about topless women vs. topless men (and that topless men do not feel as exposed as topless women due to socialization under this double standard), men don't have to be naked while being interviewed either. They can also cover up until the reporters are gone, much like many women do. And also, many men aren't naked when being interviewed, and nobody yells at them to get naked, or take off their shirt.
Gee, wonder why. Could it be that IT IS NOT ABOUT PEOPLE BEING NAKED!? It's about getting a quote from athletes and writing up your article before your deadline. There isn't some conspiracy to make men naked while women aren't (again, it's a choice, but I saw some people respond to being pointed out that they're wrong by claiming "but the women cover up!") Looking at naked people is not the point of locker room scrums, it's to get a quote from the player that you can put in your story, or on the evening sports wrap-up shows.
And FFS people. GROW UP. It's a JOB. People are tired, on a deadline, and trying to get a stupid boilerplate "we just need to give it 110%" quote to put in their stories. Sports reporters have to travel a lot, have little time (especially in this new media age) to get a story together and put it up after a game, and they really don't enjoy having to wait in scrums to get an interview with a player who won't say anything interesting. They are not in the locker room to ogle players, assault players, or anything else. They're there to DO A JOB, and it's probably as uncomfortable for them to be around naked people (of ANY gender) as the players.
While I get that Don Cherry felt uncomfortable when he played and a female reporter was in the dressing room, first, he could have kept a shirt or pants or towel on, like the WNBA players do, and secondly, that was 40 years ago. Male athletes are pretty much never interviewed naked now. Modern locker rooms have a separate area for the players to change and they only are in the public area to talk to reporters. Some just avoid reporters altogether. Most are clothed or at least have pants on.
The other option would be to just bar all reporters from locker rooms, period. Which I'm fine with too, because personally, I find athlete quotes to be pretty boring. They rarely say anything interesting, and I'm sure a lot of reporters would be pretty happy too. I doubt reporters or athletes enjoy doing interviews in locker rooms (or interviews period). But it's their job, both the reporter to get the quotes, and athletes to do an interview. It's part of what they have to do professionally. And it's not the reporters choice, its the fans, viewers, readers, editors, and producers that have decided this is something that people want, and that it is something the reporters have to do, and it's something the league's allow (for both men and women, in case people missed it the first time.)
But of course this is not what any of this is about to these commenters. This wasn't even an issue about a woman interviewing a naked man. The comments are really about restricting women. Because, guess what? The people hurt most if you banned men from the women's locker rooms and vice versa, would be women in the sports journalism and media industries. They'd have a disadvantage over their male colleagues, because society cares more about male athletes, male sports leagues, male accomplishments, and that's where the money is, that's where the jobs are. And there'd be a lot less jobs for female reporters because they'd be not able to get the quotes that their male colleagues could do. Which somehow, always seems to be the result of people wanting to "protect" women.
It's so typical. This is how society reacts whenever a woman faces sexism, harassment, or assault. It's "should women be doing XYZ?" If a female reporter gets harassed, it's "should women be allowed in the dressing room?" If there's workplace harassment, or discrimination, it's "should women be in the workplace?" "Should women be wearing mini-skirts?" "Should women be out at night alone?" "Should women be flirting with men like that?" "Should women be drinking so much?" It's ALWAYS about restricting women in some way. Rather than "should male athletes be more professional?" it's "should women be allowed in the men's locker room?"
And yes, it puts down men too, because it says men can't control themselves, men are crude, men are animals, men are dangerous, etc etc etc. Don Cherry did the same thing in his rant "I think women are better than men." So much "better" that he's advocating for not allowing women to do their freaking jobs. So much "better", that it's our behaviour that needs to be talked about, not men's.
Stuff like this is the corollary to "benevolent sexism": privileged self-deprecation. That's when the dominant group in society puts themselves down, often to their own benefit, or to make things appear to be "equal". So "men are animals" when it comes to harassment, so we have to limit what women are able to do, and what jobs they can do, to "protect" them. "White people aren't as smart as Asian people, or as strong as Black people" is the same way. Of course, this is used so when you discriminate against Asian people in sports, you can say "Oh, but you're really smart! We're not as smart as you! That's just genetics!" or discriminate against black people in academics "but you're physically stronger!" Convenient. And, of course, this doesn't stop white people or men from being judged by their accomplishments when it suits them. It's the privileged group in society that creates the narrative, and sometimes they create a narrative about themselves that would be negative in a vacuum in order to make excuses for their behavior. (I'd prefer it if NOBODY put anybody down, so that's not saying men or white people should be happy with being put down, or that it can't have unintended consequences in specific instances, but these things aren't happening in a vacuum, and it's important to note who is creating the narratives in our society, and how they're used.)
Going back to this specific example, Don Cherry is putting himself down, in order to get what he wants: removing female journalists from male locker rooms. He's not hurt by doing this at all, nor are the male athletes. Their lives and jobs won't be changed by banning women from the dressing room. The women in sports journalism, will be. So he can put himself and male athletes down all he wants, because ultimately it doesn't hurt them, it hurts women in the industry.
It's is such a false choice too. Either women are fragile porcelain dolls or men are uncontrollable animals. It
implies that no matter what, men's behaviour just is, and either women
are too sensitive to it, or men's behaviour is beastial, but can't be
helped. Sometimes women's "sensitivities" are framed as a bad thing and therefore we are told we aren't suited for certain jobs, sometimes they're framed as a good thing, but we still can't do what we want because men are animals. Either way, it presents a narrative that keeps women restricted. How about they're both human beings and it's perfectly
reasonable for a human being to not want to be harassed? And in this case, it wasn't even a big deal. Don Cherry was trying to make it an issue in order to harp on women in the dressing rooms.
It's just so frustrating and annoying on multiple levels that there are all these excuses made and false information spread just because some woman was trying to do her job, and an athlete was a jerk to her. But because of her gender, it must be a huge deal, and people are not just questioning whether SHE should be allowed to do her job, but if ANY woman should be. Don Cherry says he puts women on a "pedestal". Well f- that. I'd rather walk, thanks. When you're on a pedestal, you can only go where others put you.